Great read Luke and I agree with what you’re saying. I don’t like how the majority of the fan base only have 6/7 months worth of patience and then want a manager changed every year if it’s not perfect. I don’t like to use rivals as an example but look at arsenal. They were screaming arteta out to begin with but he managed to create an atmosphere within the club where they play great football, have been a lot more consistent in terms of getting results and developed a style of play. I can’t remember the last time we allowed a manager time to do that. There was real excitement when poch was named Chelsea coach and a lot of reports and people stating how good he is and can develop players and bring leadership to the team. These things don’t happen overnight. At times we’ve seen this and we’ve seen the players fight for the club but it hasn’t happened enough. I think if the club and fans are serious about building sustainability success, get used to the hard times at the beginning and let’s see if we can improve in the summer with better signings and a fully fit squad.
For me, here was the biggest difference in mind-sets at Wembley. It had nothing to do with the players or managers being "brave". It had everything to do with job security. Klopp has always had it. Even if this were his first full year at Anfield, he had the security of knowing FSG were not going to sack him if he threw a bunch of kids on the pitch in the League Cup Final because of injury and they lost, especially not now in his final season.
Aside from Lampard, no Chelsea manager has ever had that level of security in their job. And Lampard only had a bit of job security because there was a transfer ban and he had to work with all the resources available to him.
You're right in that someone has to be given time and freedom to actually build a squad and a culture around a team. Even though City's team and management structure were basically built for Pep, he still needed a season or two to get everyone on the same page. As it stands, no Chelsea manager has ever had the comfort and the support to do something similar.
Until that changes, we'll continue to struggle, especially without a benevolent owner willing to inject as much money into the club through whatever channels necessary (legally or otherwise) to cover the debts and keep the club compliant with financial rules.
Klopp is a great manager - putting those kids on was a win win. If they lost he could blame it on the injuries and the kids playing. Win like they did and it's all glory for winning with kids.
I don't think it has anything to do with being a great manager or not a great manager. Even from the time he was hired, Klopp had the security of knowing that the fanbase and FSG were not going to sack him in his first year and a half and were going to give him time to build, predominantly because Liverpool had given plenty of time to managers before him.
No Chelsea manager has ever had that job security, which is why I don't think any manager has ever focused on bringing kids through. It's hard to commit to trying to develop young players when you know that your job will be in jeopardy if you don't deliver results.
Bravo! Finally a calm, considered, logical article. I'm still on on the three P's. It's pretty interesting seeing how harsh and knee jerk the opinions get when we lose. Sacking Poch now is beyond logic. They were solid and even great at times vs Liverpool and it took a great play by a great player to beat us. Saying they shouldn't be tired after nearly 120 minutes a maximum effort is silly.
I think what I am saying is being mis-interpreted Darren, I am far from saying keep Poch, I am merely saying sacking him now promotes keeping a culture of ‘Hire and Fire’ that will be even less successful than we are currently.
An amicable parting of ways at the end of the season keeps MY feint hopes alive of us being able to eventually have a manger that leads us to sustained glory
Who would be that someone for you Darren, I’m curious, I cannot get my head around who that manager would be and am hoping for some inspiration.
Completely agree with what you have said and in no way do I want Poch kept for that reason alone, as I mentioned in my article earlier in the week if there were better available options ASAP I would pull the trigger
As You Said not everyone Will agree and i’m completely against What You Said. You don’t want hire and fire, sure i can accept that that. But does that man We just stick with the crap manager just because We don’t want to sack people all the time? We stick with someone that take too long to swap players out like the goalkeeper, states that reaching a final is a good achievment for Chelsea FC, that says We played amazing against Liverpool u18 in a final We lost, plays players out of position, gets rid of out better players. I could go on. To summarize i think We need to give managers time If We can see something. I can’t see anything about Pochettino. Would get him gone before the post match presser
I never said keep Poch to stop the hire and fire culture, I am merely saying sacking Poch presents a statement that ends our “project” and promotes our previous regime’s ‘hire and fire culture’ the issue being we dont have the leadership or experience for that to improve our situation, it will just make it worse.
These are young players and they are impressionable and getting multiple mixed messages from different managers will worsen the situation in my view
So What We should keep him until What? We’re in danger of going down? All To protect the project. We don’t multiple managers. We need 1 That’s good enough we’re We could see a future with that gets the fans and We can see the Football he wants to play. Plays players in their position.
There are loads of better managers, a lot of them either wouldn’t want to take us on where we are or will require time like Poch etc! I wish there was an obvious candidate to take us forward long term
I don’t disagree about sacking Poch, I just don’t think we will move any further forward by doing so. I am swaying towards the Poch Out side but just concerned it will take us even further back
Great read Luke and I agree with what you’re saying. I don’t like how the majority of the fan base only have 6/7 months worth of patience and then want a manager changed every year if it’s not perfect. I don’t like to use rivals as an example but look at arsenal. They were screaming arteta out to begin with but he managed to create an atmosphere within the club where they play great football, have been a lot more consistent in terms of getting results and developed a style of play. I can’t remember the last time we allowed a manager time to do that. There was real excitement when poch was named Chelsea coach and a lot of reports and people stating how good he is and can develop players and bring leadership to the team. These things don’t happen overnight. At times we’ve seen this and we’ve seen the players fight for the club but it hasn’t happened enough. I think if the club and fans are serious about building sustainability success, get used to the hard times at the beginning and let’s see if we can improve in the summer with better signings and a fully fit squad.
For me, here was the biggest difference in mind-sets at Wembley. It had nothing to do with the players or managers being "brave". It had everything to do with job security. Klopp has always had it. Even if this were his first full year at Anfield, he had the security of knowing FSG were not going to sack him if he threw a bunch of kids on the pitch in the League Cup Final because of injury and they lost, especially not now in his final season.
Aside from Lampard, no Chelsea manager has ever had that level of security in their job. And Lampard only had a bit of job security because there was a transfer ban and he had to work with all the resources available to him.
You're right in that someone has to be given time and freedom to actually build a squad and a culture around a team. Even though City's team and management structure were basically built for Pep, he still needed a season or two to get everyone on the same page. As it stands, no Chelsea manager has ever had the comfort and the support to do something similar.
Until that changes, we'll continue to struggle, especially without a benevolent owner willing to inject as much money into the club through whatever channels necessary (legally or otherwise) to cover the debts and keep the club compliant with financial rules.
Klopp is a great manager - putting those kids on was a win win. If they lost he could blame it on the injuries and the kids playing. Win like they did and it's all glory for winning with kids.
I don't think it has anything to do with being a great manager or not a great manager. Even from the time he was hired, Klopp had the security of knowing that the fanbase and FSG were not going to sack him in his first year and a half and were going to give him time to build, predominantly because Liverpool had given plenty of time to managers before him.
No Chelsea manager has ever had that job security, which is why I don't think any manager has ever focused on bringing kids through. It's hard to commit to trying to develop young players when you know that your job will be in jeopardy if you don't deliver results.
Bravo! Finally a calm, considered, logical article. I'm still on on the three P's. It's pretty interesting seeing how harsh and knee jerk the opinions get when we lose. Sacking Poch now is beyond logic. They were solid and even great at times vs Liverpool and it took a great play by a great player to beat us. Saying they shouldn't be tired after nearly 120 minutes a maximum effort is silly.
Fantastic article, could not agree more if it was possible- thanks Luke for putting into words my, and certainly others, feelings.
We have absolutely no chance of success with sub standard managers in the dugout
Agreed, goes without saying
Could not agree more. 100%
I done with Poch.. Luke.
I can't keep watching the awful football we play.
We are so poorly coached it's unbelievable.
The defending is awful, just like Allardyce said on Talksport on Monday.
Last kick of the game and Leeds had 2 spare men at the back post.
And!! Let's not even mention Van Dijk being unmarked for the goal on Sunday.
This stems from Poch.
I believe there is someone who can take us onto the next level.
Fit players, Top striker, a set style of play and someone we can bond with.
THAT coach is out there.
I was expecting more from Poch, sadly I am underwhelmed.
Not a fan and would have no problems saying goodbye in the summer.
He is not the right man for Chelsea.
I think what I am saying is being mis-interpreted Darren, I am far from saying keep Poch, I am merely saying sacking him now promotes keeping a culture of ‘Hire and Fire’ that will be even less successful than we are currently.
An amicable parting of ways at the end of the season keeps MY feint hopes alive of us being able to eventually have a manger that leads us to sustained glory
I get your points Luke and fully understand , what points you are making.
But, we can't keep managers just because of being worried about the 'hire & fire of managers.
Poch has NOT delivered, I don't believe it was a bad appointment.
He just has not produced what we wanted, therefore we wipe our mouths and move on.
If that is now or at the end of the season, then so be it.
Ange
Dyche
Emery
Di Zerbi
O'Neil
Howe
Frank
Silva
Have all performed much better than Poch has.
Our league position does not lie.
And deep down, we ALL know, that it is never going to work out for Poch at Chelsea.
He has taken us so far, and as 'The Score' wrote in his article, time to get someone in to take us onto the next level.
Who would be that someone for you Darren, I’m curious, I cannot get my head around who that manager would be and am hoping for some inspiration.
Completely agree with what you have said and in no way do I want Poch kept for that reason alone, as I mentioned in my article earlier in the week if there were better available options ASAP I would pull the trigger
As You Said not everyone Will agree and i’m completely against What You Said. You don’t want hire and fire, sure i can accept that that. But does that man We just stick with the crap manager just because We don’t want to sack people all the time? We stick with someone that take too long to swap players out like the goalkeeper, states that reaching a final is a good achievment for Chelsea FC, that says We played amazing against Liverpool u18 in a final We lost, plays players out of position, gets rid of out better players. I could go on. To summarize i think We need to give managers time If We can see something. I can’t see anything about Pochettino. Would get him gone before the post match presser
I never said keep Poch to stop the hire and fire culture, I am merely saying sacking Poch presents a statement that ends our “project” and promotes our previous regime’s ‘hire and fire culture’ the issue being we dont have the leadership or experience for that to improve our situation, it will just make it worse.
These are young players and they are impressionable and getting multiple mixed messages from different managers will worsen the situation in my view
So What We should keep him until What? We’re in danger of going down? All To protect the project. We don’t multiple managers. We need 1 That’s good enough we’re We could see a future with that gets the fans and We can see the Football he wants to play. Plays players in their position.
Again I am not saying keep him, the board must have seen all of that in Poch? Us fans certainly haven’t seen it……..
Who is that one manager??
I wouldn’t know. It’s not my job. All i know it’s There is definately someone out There better than this
There are loads of better managers, a lot of them either wouldn’t want to take us on where we are or will require time like Poch etc! I wish there was an obvious candidate to take us forward long term
I don’t disagree about sacking Poch, I just don’t think we will move any further forward by doing so. I am swaying towards the Poch Out side but just concerned it will take us even further back